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Post by admin on Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:40 pm

So based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like what you guys are coming up with is the need for satellite or branch organizations subject to our own. Meaning, each state or even district has a facilitator who creates a group of volunteers, who then manage to register voters within their area and conduct the actual physical voting process itself?

If that is the case, we can begin taking steps to elect district leaders soon. I think that's a wise idea.

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by kefranklin on Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:50 pm

Sounds good.

Everyone seems spooked by a Central Command. Too big brother. Coordinating satellites gives everyone a sense of free will and action power. It frees them up to react to what's on the ground. And it gives localities a greater purpose than "what park are we in tonight."

We can act as a clearinghouse to keep everyone on the same page and make sure that a new member can find their local GA as well as work on the more big picture things with us.

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Post by DJequalityNash on Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:40 pm

I agree that we need begin that process asaprepared. Most districts have nothing at all OWS going on, and where there is an active branch, they aren't at all thinking of growing district wide. Speaking for a district which is a cluster of rural southern counties, we have nothing directly in our own district. Even in the cities, comprising multiple dictricts in many, it's going to take time to explain the process, and then to convince. The convincing takes forever, and the gaining consensus longer still. So yes, asap, but we must be prepared first, if we're going to avoid further confusion, and not end up turning people off.

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by randallburns on Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:36 pm

What might make sense:
any place that has an ows organization with at least some minimal number activists and activity has a fair degree of autonomy. Those districts that have little going on will get some kind of assistance from other groups until they can stand on their own.

Basically you need enough folks in a given area they can to some degree supervise each other. That said:
I suspect OWS won't catch on in some areas without some help.

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by kefranklin on Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:46 pm

If the area is too small to have a group they can help out here.

But we do need to find a way to make sure they can vote in the delegation.

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by randallburns on Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:52 am

kefranklin wrote:If the area is too small to have a group they can help out here.

But we do need to find a way to make sure they can vote in the delegation.

The trick is just to make sure they are real people that understand what OWS is about to some degree.Also in states like alaska, it may be hard for folks to do much _except_ online-the distances are just too big.

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by kefranklin on Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:30 am

Maybe I'm a luddite, but online voting makes me really nervous.

But I said before that in all matters technology, I defer. I don't know how to prove they are real. A scanned license and bill but that is a pretty terrible idea. Compare pop of town with voting results? If 3000 people vote in a town of 200..... but that would only tell us to nullify it.

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Post by randallburns on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:53 am

kefranklin wrote:Maybe I'm a luddite, but online voting makes me really nervous.

But I said before that in all matters technology, I defer. I don't know how to prove they are real. A scanned license and bill but that is a pretty terrible idea. Compare pop of town with voting results? If 3000 people vote in a town of 200..... but that would only tell us to nullify it.

I'm a software engineer. My sense is that you simplify the problems around online voting with a very, simple constraint:
EVERYTHING online has to be openly available and transparent.

That means so secret ballots for online voters(if you want a secret ballot, you go to a polling place). IF you want to vote online you register someplace in person well before the voting period.

The reporting from regional and local centers will also need to be online I suspect. We are dealing with probably thousands of places nationwide where people will be voting in person. We need some way to avoid fraud in those localities.

All voters could have online
a) a photo
b) unique ID #
c) how their ID was verified
d) Who verified ID(I'd want 3 folks doing this in all cases and 3 folks from difference sources)
e) whether they voted online or in person
f) if they voted in person-where and where.

Notice, I did not put name, address or anything sensitive there.

all voting results for online voters would be online and viewable by anyone.

proctors would have to give more detailed information-but we wouldn't have many of them compared to voters.

Each polling place would describe how they voted-how they counted votes and who was supervising the process.

The aggregate results for each polling place would be reported online as they come in.

Together this means anyone can audit the talley based on those sources. Fraud could plausibly happen at local polling places-or during the registration process. We'd have time to spot fraud in the registration process before the election. I'd like to keep polling places small and have a lot of them-so any fraud would have to be highly distributed to be effective.







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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by admin on Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:30 am

That's a very interesting idea randall, the question is, would you be willing to take on that task or are you simply recommending someone else does it? Smile

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by Lball9285 on Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:59 pm

Regarding Satellite Organizations:

I think before we can implement this we have to get consensus that everyone agrees to the process.

This is moving very fast, and I think people are a bit terrified about this. Also there is a general feeling within OWS nationally, that this movement should not have end goals set yet.

Maybe setting a National Convention for this upcoming summer is too soon?

I think obviously outreach is vitally important in this area, and we need to determine if this will take root before investing money into the process.

Now, lets say that people actually will support this idea of a National Assembly of sorts, we need to make sure, and be vitally mindful of the fact that most people recognize that civics in this country does not work the way it was taught. So essentially we have no practice in real, honest delegate representation. There are a host of ways to combat this. Set up teach-ins nationally about the democratic process, including goals, etc.

Just some food for thought. I've tried to do some outreach in my local GA, and have gotten mostly negative responses right off of the bat. So another thing we need to honestly discuss is what we will do if we do not get majority support for this idea.

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by kefranklin on Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:04 pm

Being careful to not steamroll anyone there is also the truth that people only hop on moving trains. No one cared about OWS until they saw a lot of other people cared. No one wants to take the next leap until they're sure its safe. When they see others on board they won't want to be left behind.

If we want too long we run 2 very bad risks - OWS supporters will feel like we are fucking around doing nothing but sitting in parks, that that's not any real change, get bored and leave. Or feel used and leave. Either way, leave.

The American people may as well. As was said earlier. We are a soundbite generation. We have barely unwrapped the PS2 when it's old news a PS3 is out!!! This movement has a shelf life. You and I may want to see it around for generations, but the average American in 2 years will say OWS?? THEY'RE still around??!!?!?

They may also say, in 2 years they did squat, oh sure, let me open my wallet/support them NOW.


The political iron is not hot long. Once a new Congress in is they will say, that was the old Congress. Trust us, we aren't bought.... That was Obama, now that he's gone.... And the majority of Americans MIGHT believe them!

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by randallburns on Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:18 pm

Admin wrote:That's a very interesting idea randall, the question is, would you be willing to take on that task or are you simply recommending someone else does it? Smile

I can help with some specifications. There is a lot of volunteer energy out there-they just need a little direction.
No, I am NOT going to write all the code.

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by DJequalityNash on Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:30 pm

Yer right Kefranklin. That is what I've tried to get others to see as well. We need to figure out what all we must have in place before we approach them, and then we must focus on figuring out that much, until we have a good plan laid out that they will want to be a part of and will want to start preparing for.

I like the idea of teach-ins, as someone mentioned. We do have time, I think, to run a good campaign on this if we get focused.

I've been trying to unite my three local rural districts for the last 3 weeks, it's a good idea, but egos are high in little people too. It's not as easy on the ground as it sounds on paper. Do-able, and I think we should encourage it, with guidelines, and maybe when people see there's something there worth it all they'll get more committed to supporting each other for their own sakes, so as not to be left behind in the end.

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Re: Satellite Organizations

Post by uncommonfilth on Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:29 pm

Yeah, it's going to be interesting with to see how these 3 communities take to each other, it requires a certain finesse to go to a GA and address those that are dealing with the real world obstacles of trying to occupy a public space and all the rest, food, security, discipline,food,direct action, local needs groups,homeless,drugs/alcohol, my group was mostly welcoming to my input, with a cpl exceptions, but I've been fairly non-chalant, in my appraoch..to be honest with the way this started(Mchael, bailing)..wasn't sure this wouldn't just be BS..They've had their fb page and .org pg hijacked...It's real-life in the street, here were still just speculating..And No Offense until I've actually, at least had voice communication with someone I don't EVER take online activity TOO seriously...but I've not spent much time on social forums/online communities..1 step at a time.

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